BobA
Post Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:46 pm
 Subject: Hyosung GT250R

Last week I got look at a new 2012 Hyosung GT250R. I've never actually seen one before, just read about it. I was surprised at how big the bike seems (subjectively and actually larger then the Ninja 250R). It appears identical to their GT650R in fact. Fit and finish looked very good.



Riding position was pretty aggressive, much more so than the Ninja 250R, but then I'm sure that's because of their target market.



Twin front brake rotors add the the "big bike" look. Fuel injected too and priced at $4099 pretty competitive. It's air/oil cooled (V-twin), but I guess air cooled bikes have a long history. Inverted front forks too.

If I didn't know much about bikes and I wanted something "sporty", I'd say that the Hyosung definitely has an edge over the Ninja 250R and Honda CBR250R in looks at least. I guess the question about it is long term durability and actual performance, but then again for the average buyer of a 250 sport bike, they're probably not going to own it long enough to worry about durability!
westb
Post Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:23 am
 Subject: What I've heard...

Is that the extra plastic adds unwelcome weight and those double front brakes aren't as responsive as they should be. Don't get me wrong, I like the look, I just wish there were more in the field for a better consumer opinion. And yes, I'm totally jealous that there aren't any dealers in my area. Crying...
CBR250 vs. GT250R vs. Ninja 250R
Bokonon
Post Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:46 am
 Subject: Pretty much what Pop Mechanics thought

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/motorcycles/reviews/how-to-get-started-picking-the-right-250cc-motorcycle#slide-1

And yes, it is a 250 engine in a 650 frame. Kinda surprised the weight didn't get more than the EX250, but it's not. Seat height is 2 1/2" taller than the 250J, though. Hyosung does have some build quality issues, from what I've read. P Mechs said the suspension wallowed and the front brakes were spongy. I wouldn't buy one, but for the adventurous young person, it might be a way to stick out a bit.
westb
Post Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:58 am
 Subject: aw man..

I was hoping the build problems would have been eliminated by now.

Wait a minute. I'm young, stupid, AND adventurous! To Hyosung egyptian dance
Bokonon
Post Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:06 am
 Subject: At least you understand your shortcomings :razz:

BobA
Post Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:08 am
 Subject: I was impressed

I was impressed by how it looked and felt...sitting on display. The specs look good (except maybe for the 5 speed gear box and air cooled engine) and it feels like (and in fact is) quite a large bike. Of course looking at it and riding it are two different things!

I guess the test reports are what you might expect. Not bad, but not up to the standards of the Japanese bikes. If they could knock $1000 or even $500 off the price though, it might do well against Honda and Kawasaki.

I was quite surprised how many dealers they had. They actually have four here in NJ and a bunch more all along the east coat from Massachusets to Florida.

While maybe not quite up to Japanese standards, I'll bet it's way ahead of the Roketta MC-113 Chinese sport bike (see below)! I've seen them for sale under $2500. I once had a Roketta scooter and that was enough for me....does have dual front disks though!

roketta-mc113.jpg
Bokonon
Post Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:16 am
 Subject: Glad to hear that.

Fit and finish are what I've heard are problems, and if it looks good sitting there, that means they've taken care of at least some of that. I happen to like air-cooled bikes; I hope Hyosung can hang around and get a good rep for reliability. More small bikes in the world is a good thing.
westb
Post Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:21 am
 Subject: Amen

Joking aside, I am interested in riding a Hyosung bike. I've never ridden an a/c bike on the street, but I too hope they stick around for reliability in the hopes that I get the chance.
westb
Post Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:36 am
 Subject: Also

I'm sad that popular mechanics said that the GT250 was l/c instead of a/c :'(: GT250 specs
MrMark
Post Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:23 am
 Subject: Air/Oil Cooled

The GT250 is air/oil cooled. There is a sizeable radiator visible on photos taken from the front.
Bokonon
Post Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:39 pm
 Subject: But it's not the same as liquid cooled.

I know you know this, but for people reading along: Oil/air cooled means that it's an air cooled bike with an oil cooler that cools the oil. And yes, it looks like a radiator, but it's not cooling the engine coolant, because there isn't any. It cools the oil, which gives better cooling than just plain old air cooling.
oilcooler2.jpg
ridemunky
Post Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:53 pm
 Subject: Thanks for that bit of info.

FrugalNinja250
Post Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:39 pm
 Subject: The early GSX-R were oil and air cooled

but they ran 5 quarts of oil through that motor in a lot of interesting ways to keep things cool, such as spraying a large volume at the undersides of the pistons. The biggest problem with air cooling is the lower power density, because air just cannot remove heat as efficiently as liquid coolant can and the power and heat output of a motor are pretty linearly related. The biggest advantage, of course, is no water pump. From what I've seen, the Hyosungs are fairly low powered for a 250 and have trouble maintaining full highway speeds, especially in southern summer weather.
DrBuzz
Post Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:08 pm
 Subject: Just get a Gixxer and be done with it.

They look better than any 250 and have all the power you will need and only go as fast as a 250 if you have self control.

There you have it. Heh
Buzz
Bokonon
Post Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:23 pm
 Subject: That totally explains why you have this :razz:

pako7
Post Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:59 pm
 Subject: Hyosung build quality

Just saw a post on CL from a guy selling the Hyosung 250 cruiser. Said "perfect condition, 2000 miles! Needs new piston"
'Nuff said for me.
levchen
Post Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:23 am
 Subject: It's just a winter beater! :D

DrBuzz
Post Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:37 am
 Subject: I'll be riding Putter to work soon with gas going up

I get about 65 mpg on Putter and 35mpg with Max. Max (my gixxer) is about to become my weekend morning fun only.
My only reason replying to this thread was why anyone would want to make a lateral move from the ninja to another 250 sportbike. I still think the ninja 250 is the best 250 sportbike out there in the US for the money.
BobA
Post Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:06 pm
 Subject: Lateral moves

I shouldn't think anyone would ever move from a Ninja 250 to a Hyosung 250. I was thinking more about the first time buyer. The Hyosung just looks more like a "real" bike in the squid sense of a "real bike" (i.e. big, with bling).
SRH
Post Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:54 pm
 Subject: Hyosung GT250R

It is the same frame as the 650, as reported in the July 2011 issue of MOTORCYCLIST, MC COMPARISON, "FLIGHT SIMULATORS", which makes it heavy and slow to go, but quick to stop. I kept that issue because it's the first magazine article to compare the new Honda CBR250R to any other motorcycle in its class. IMHO, and that of the only female tester, the Ninja held its own.

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/comparisons/122_1107_honda_cbr250r_vs_hyosung_gt250r_vs_kawasaki_ninja_250r/index.html
SRH
Post Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:12 pm
 Subject: That's probably more to do w/

EPA appeasement by way of lean fuel mixtures than build quality.
pako7
Post Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:59 am
 Subject: Build quality

Just took a read through the article SRH posted and found this little tidbit.

Prospective Hyosung owners had better be comfortable performing periodic maintenance themselves or prepare to fork over a lot of dough to a mechanic; the owner?s manual recommends changing the oil and filter and checking the valves every 2500 miles.

Valves every oil change?? I love being able to trust my ninja for 14k, this eye catching beast will have to be inspected 5.6 times more often than ours... It would be worth your while to buy your own inspection gauge at least! Smile
Bokonon
Post Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:06 am
 Subject: Check your owners manual. Valve checks are every 7500 miles on the J.

Or 6000 on the F bike.
pako7
Post Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:21 am
 Subject: Correction duly noted.

carsnwomen91
Post Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:42 am
 Subject: good bike

My friend had one for 2 years. he got it when they first came to canada. The build quality was ok... he didn't get fork caps (at the top of the fork) and some screws for the fairings had rust on them (brand new). Other than that it was flawless, even the digital dash.

I think it would do better if they changed the frame to suit a 250cc engine. it weighs 410lbs vs 375lbs (n250) curb weight. It could've been better than a ninja 250 but i guess being a small motorcycle manufacturer it costs a lot to develop another frame.

I'd take the Ninja 250r and gt250r over the cbr250r everytime. i don't care if it offers abs, or fuel injection or even if it makes a pizza while you ride it... Honda cheaped out on the engine. kaaamaaaan spend some money on a nice multi cylinder engine!
TonyKZ1
Post Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:55 am
 Subject: I wouldn't mind riding one, I'd probably prefer the GT250

rather than the R model due to the more standard seating position of the GT250 and the fact that I strongly dislike the R's headlight. Although I doubt that I'd be impressed enough to replace my '89 Ninja 250. But who knows?? There used to be a dealer somewhat locally but evidently according to Hyosung's website that dealer doesn't sell them any more.
Tony
jack
Post Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:13 pm
 Subject: you have the only 4 star bike on the list

Hyosung has never gotten more than a 2 star rating on the 250 and I can't speak for the Honda, so I'd say 2*,3*and 4* for hyo, honda and kawa 250's

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