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Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:28 pm
Subject: RAM ball mount installation in the left clutch lever mirror thread hole |
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I learned from EMDSD how to install a RAM ball mount about a year ago and have done it on my '05 250 and '07 650R. Shortly after buying my '08 250, I installed one.
The purpose of this mount is to have a permanent place to attach accessories (GPS, Sirius radio, cell phone, radar, etc) to the cycle.
Tools needed for this project:
* RAM ball RAM-B-236
* small flat head screwdriver
* 3/8-16 tap
* needle nose pliers
* blue thread lock
The first step is to pry off the plastic cover from the mirror thread hole:
Here is the RAM-B-236 ball:
Here is the 3/8-16 tap tool to re-thread the hole:
Tapping the hole:
The key to successfully tapping the threads correctly is to keep the tool angle in line with the hole, so that your threads are evenly created. Take your time here, and do it right the first time.
The next step is to put some thread lock on the RAM ball threads:
You then hand tighten the ball into the threads. Afterwards, I used some needle nose pliers to apply about 12 ft/lbs torque to the mount.
Here is how the RAM ball looks installed:
With the RAM short arm and Garmin 60CSx cradle in place:
With the 60CSx installed:
Total installation time, 10 minutes. Documentation time, 20 minutes. |
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EricE |
Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:22 pm
Subject: Re: RAM ball mount installation in the left clutch lever mirror thread hole |
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Thanks to you, M, and emdsd, I placed an order for a RAM-B-236U last night. I'll dig up, or pick up a tap, and hopefully have it ready when my Zumo 550 gets in next week (no tracking number yet ). Hope to have it all in place by Sat. April 5th, as I'm going to see my son graduate from his Air Force training.
This will be my second trip from MN to FL on the 250. Yoo Hoo! Can't wait to get going! |
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chkuo |
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:47 am
Subject: RAM mount part numbers |
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Thanks for the guide, I just finished installing one on my 2002 Ninja.
Here are the parts that I used, hopefully someone will find this useful:
* RAM-B-349U (RAM mount M10 x 1.25 pitch male thread on 1-inch ball): this part goes on the bike, does not need re-threading.
* RAM-B-201U-A (RAM mount short length dual 1-inch docket Arm): a 1.75-inch arm connecting the two 1-inch balls (one on the bike and one on the GPS cradle). There is a 3-inch version available too but I prefer the shorter one.
* RAM-B-238U (RAM mount diamond plate with 1-inch ball): attach this to the GPS cradle with the included bolts (3 sets of different lengths are included) and nylon lock nuts.
* RAM-HOL-GA21U (RAM mount Garmin Nuvi 3xx series cradle): this holds the GPS unit. The exact part number you need will depend on the GPS unit that you have.
I got all these from GPS City for less than $40 shipped, very happy with their selection/price/service. The installation was extremely easy and only took about 1 minute. |
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emdsd |
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:32 am
Subject: Sure you can use a U-bolt but you missed the point. |
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U-bolt mounting adds weight, complexity, expense, and is visually cluttered over this method (http://www.theyeagergroup.com/ninja_250_RAM_Mount.htm).
What are you saving the mirror mounts for anyway? If you ever need to install a mirror the threads are a different enough pitch and the hole size is similar enough that a simple removal of the ball mount and install of a mirror should be all that is needed.
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chrisc |
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:52 pm
Subject: Re: Sure you can use a U-bolt but you missed the point. |
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Are you trolling?
Adds weight? That is laughable! The weight difference is insignificant.
Expense? The U-bolt mount cost $2 more than the other one.
Visually cluttered over the other method??? You are grasping at straws.
It makes install much easier since you don't need to re-thread the hole for the u-bolt, that's the only reason I did it.
Quote: | If you ever need to install a mirror the threads are a different enough pitch and the hole size is similar enough that a simple removal of the ball mount and install of a mirror should be all that is needed. |
Let me know how that works out. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:02 pm
Subject: you might think twice before poking someone in the eye... |
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Doc is a well respected member who was merely offering an alternative mounting suggestion.
Doc and I used the RAM-B-236 that required re-threading (easy to do, takes 60 seconds). Now, RAM makes a thread/pitch correct RAM-B-349U that threads right in. That option wasn't available to use until recently.
I've used both the RAM-B-236 and the RAM-B-231U on both my '05 250 and '07 650R. For me, I prefer the ball mount option, for the reasons Doc stated. Doesn't mean the other won't work (it will) but that is my preference. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:18 pm
Subject: Re: Sure you can use a U-bolt but you missed the point. |
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Wasn't trying to pound on you Sport. Just that some of us like a nice finished look to our "babies".
Weight -- I am a road cyclist and we silly folks go to great expense to save a few grams.
Back when I purchased mine the U-bolt clamp was about 2 to 3 times more than the 3/8 threaded. I though it was cool as I saved money and a couple of ounces. The thread tap was less than $10 at the local hardware/feed store (yes, you read that right).
Doc
chrisc wrote: | Are you trolling?
Adds weight? That is laughable! The weight difference is insignificant.
Expense? The U-bolt mount cost $2 more than the other one.
Visually cluttered over the other method??? You are grasping at straws.
It makes install much easier since you don't need to re-thread the hole for the u-bolt, that's the only reason I did it.
Quote: | If you ever need to install a mirror the threads are a different enough pitch and the hole size is similar enough that a simple removal of the ball mount and install of a mirror should be all that is needed. |
Let me know how that works out. | |
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:49 pm
Subject: GPS mounting |
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hickman71 wrote: |
Now, RAM makes a thread/pitch correct RAM-B-349U that threads right in. That option wasn't available to use until recently.
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I had originally planned to duplicate the excellent Ram installation tutorial on my bike, but I went with this:
It is the stock Magellan bar mount used with spacers on the mirror post.
It is rock solid, has a decently clean look, plus more importantly it puts the GPS up, away, and close to the mirror and less of a focus change from my natural sight scan while riding.
Without having to look down and re-focus my eyeballs so much it gives me a shorter ROAD-MIRROR-GPS-ROAD, eye scan.
An added bonus is that the GPS stays stationary and doesn't turn with the handlebars.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:21 pm
Subject: Re: GPS mounting |
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That's a bit of a different take on the solution! Your logic works for you, but I can't say I agree with everything. To each his own. Here's a couple of pics of my setup. It keeps the GPS behind the shield in a position consistent with the instrument cluster when I glance down, and out of the wind/bugs/rain/road debris. My handlebars only move when I'm parked. When I'm rolling, they stay dead center. I also put a lanyard on the GPS and the triple clamp head so if it does vibrate loose, it won't become road kill.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:47 pm
Subject: Re: GPS mounting |
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Kris wrote: | It keeps the GPS in a position consistent with the instrument cluster, and out of the wind/bugs. I also put a lanyard on the GPS and the triple clamp head. |
Hi Kris, nice set-up. I like the lanyard idea as added protection.
Even with your set-up it looks as if the GPS is lower/closer than the instruments. I already feel like I have my 'head down in the cockpit' too much just looking at the tac/speedo. |
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:45 pm
Subject: Re: GPS mounting |
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I know exactly what you mean! With my face shield and my bifocals, I have to keep my head at the "right" angle to be able to see the GPS. That's part of the problem with growing old! But, I can work with it. What I really need next is a power supply for the GPS for the display's back light. I have to install a cig lighter outlet with a switched power relay. Not hard, just have to find the time... |
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chohan |
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:29 pm
Subject: Re: RAM mount part numbers |
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chkuo wrote: | Here are the parts that I used, hopefully someone will find this useful:
I got all these from GPS City for less than $40 shipped, very happy with their selection/price/service. The installation was extremely easy and only took about 1 minute. |
I love you man! I just got my wife the garmin 205w last week and was going nuts trying to figure out which mount to use. I just used those part numbers you listed except for a different cradle (used RAM-HOL-GA25U) and ended up at $37 with shipping.
I must've missed this post while I was working last week. Thanks all.
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Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:12 pm
Subject: Re: RAM mount part numbers |
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No problem! It took me quite a while to figure out that the cradle doesn't come with a ball so I figured others might find the description confusing as well. Glad that this helped. |
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