M
Post Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:28 pm
 Subject: RAM ball mount installation in the left clutch lever mirror thread hole

I learned from EMDSD how to install a RAM ball mount about a year ago and have done it on my '05 250 and '07 650R. Shortly after buying my '08 250, I installed one.

The purpose of this mount is to have a permanent place to attach accessories (GPS, Sirius radio, cell phone, radar, etc) to the cycle.

Tools needed for this project:

* RAM ball RAM-B-236
* small flat head screwdriver
* 3/8-16 tap
* needle nose pliers
* blue thread lock

The first step is to pry off the plastic cover from the mirror thread hole:





Here is the RAM-B-236 ball:



Here is the 3/8-16 tap tool to re-thread the hole:



Tapping the hole:



The key to successfully tapping the threads correctly is to keep the tool angle in line with the hole, so that your threads are evenly created. Take your time here, and do it right the first time.



The next step is to put some thread lock on the RAM ball threads:



You then hand tighten the ball into the threads. Afterwards, I used some needle nose pliers to apply about 12 ft/lbs torque to the mount.





Here is how the RAM ball looks installed:



With the RAM short arm and Garmin 60CSx cradle in place:





With the 60CSx installed:



Total installation time, 10 minutes. Documentation time, 20 minutes. Very Happy
Lunatic
Post Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:46 pm
 Subject: Re: RAM ball mount installation in the left clutch lever mirror thread hole

Great info! (and pics of course). One question, is the mirror hole not already threaded?
FeverPitch
Post Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:53 pm
 Subject: Re: RAM ball mount installation in the left clutch lever mirror thread hole

Thanks for the installation walk thru on the new bike. I'm doing the exact set-up with mine.

Thanks!
djrussell
Post Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:20 pm
 Subject: reel mowers FTW! :)

hickman71 wrote:
M
Post Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:39 pm
 Subject: yes, it was threaded metric; the RAM ball is 3/8" - 16 pitch

M
Post Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:00 am
 Subject: it is a Scott's reel mower

I bought it in October of '06

http://forums.ninja250.org/viewtopic.php?t=48443
djrussell
Post Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:08 pm
 Subject: Re: it is a Scott's reel mower

should have known you posted pics about it. Smile

i've got this one
my yard is like 4'x50' so it only takes 2 or 3 passes.

low tech rules.
emdsd
Post Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:07 pm
 Subject: I had so much fun I put two on this one.

My take on the project.

http://www.theyeagergroup.com/ninja_250_RAM_Mount.htm

Doc

Dual RAM Mounts installed.JPG
M
Post Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:42 pm
 Subject: I ran out of balls... :rofl:

I have duals on my '05 250 and '07 650R. Time to order some more from www.gpscity.com
emdsd
Post Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:48 pm
 Subject: Re: I ran out of balls... :rofl: Oh, never mind.

One shouldn't leave themselves open like that!

Doc
EricE
Post Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:22 pm
 Subject: Re: RAM ball mount installation in the left clutch lever mirror thread hole

Thanks to you, M, and emdsd, I placed an order for a RAM-B-236U last night. I'll dig up, or pick up a tap, and hopefully have it ready when my Zumo 550 gets in next week (no tracking number yet Sad ). Hope to have it all in place by Sat. April 5th, as I'm going to see my son graduate from his Air Force training.

This will be my second trip from MN to FL on the 250. Yoo Hoo! Can't wait to get going! Very Happy
chrisc
Post Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:54 pm
 Subject: Re: RAM ball mount installation in the left clutch lever mirror thread hole

I have that same GPS, thanks for the how-to!

Questions:

What size arm are you using from the ball mount to the GPS cradle? The 1.75 inch?

Also, you ever try the RAM locking knob? Does it lock the GPS in there?
M
Post Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:25 pm
 Subject: yes, that is the 1.75" arm; I also use the 3.5" arm

I'm not familiar with the RAM locking knob.
cga
Post Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:19 pm
 Subject: what are other ram part #s besides the RAM-B-236U

i'm trying to order the 1inch ball - yet can't determine what other parts i need as well - is it just the RAM-HOL-GA12U

thanks
emdsd
Post Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:42 am
 Subject: Only the mount for what you want to use (GPS, Palm, iPod, etc.)

Hickman has it nailed.

http://www.theyeagergroup.com/ninja_250_RAM_Mount.htm

Doc
chkuo
Post Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:47 am
 Subject: RAM mount part numbers

Thanks for the guide, I just finished installing one on my 2002 Ninja.

Here are the parts that I used, hopefully someone will find this useful:

* RAM-B-349U (RAM mount M10 x 1.25 pitch male thread on 1-inch ball): this part goes on the bike, does not need re-threading.
* RAM-B-201U-A (RAM mount short length dual 1-inch docket Arm): a 1.75-inch arm connecting the two 1-inch balls (one on the bike and one on the GPS cradle). There is a 3-inch version available too but I prefer the shorter one.
* RAM-B-238U (RAM mount diamond plate with 1-inch ball): attach this to the GPS cradle with the included bolts (3 sets of different lengths are included) and nylon lock nuts.
* RAM-HOL-GA21U (RAM mount Garmin Nuvi 3xx series cradle): this holds the GPS unit. The exact part number you need will depend on the GPS unit that you have.

I got all these from GPS City for less than $40 shipped, very happy with their selection/price/service. The installation was extremely easy and only took about 1 minute.
chrisc
Post Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:30 am
 Subject: Re: RAM mount part numbers

If folks don't want to ream out that mirror hole, you can just use RAM-B-231U instead. It is a u-bolt that goes around the handlebar. I have mine mounted on the clutch side. There is plenty of room for the u-bolt over there. It looks fine, and it is rock solid.

http://www.mountinginnovations.com/RAM%20Products/Bundles/HOLGA12U/RAM-B-149-GA12U.htm

RAM-B-149-A-GA12U is the one I got. Around $40 with shipping.
emdsd
Post Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:32 am
 Subject: Sure you can use a U-bolt but you missed the point.

U-bolt mounting adds weight, complexity, expense, and is visually cluttered over this method (http://www.theyeagergroup.com/ninja_250_RAM_Mount.htm).

What are you saving the mirror mounts for anyway? If you ever need to install a mirror the threads are a different enough pitch and the hole size is similar enough that a simple removal of the ball mount and install of a mirror should be all that is needed.

Doc
chrisc
Post Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:52 pm
 Subject: Re: Sure you can use a U-bolt but you missed the point.

Are you trolling?

Adds weight? That is laughable! The weight difference is insignificant.

Expense? The U-bolt mount cost $2 more than the other one.

Visually cluttered over the other method??? You are grasping at straws.

It makes install much easier since you don't need to re-thread the hole for the u-bolt, that's the only reason I did it.

Quote:
If you ever need to install a mirror the threads are a different enough pitch and the hole size is similar enough that a simple removal of the ball mount and install of a mirror should be all that is needed.


Let me know how that works out.
djrussell
Post Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:56 pm
 Subject: doc is no troll. the u-bolt IS cluttered.

BrianM
Post Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:58 pm
 Subject: You'd do well to look into the history of posters before flaming...

Flaming long time, very well respected members of this community will not buy you any friends.

And if you would have bothered to search a little, you'd know that this exists:

http://forums.ninja250.org/viewtopic.php?p=676931#676931

Wink

Have a great day
M
Post Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:02 pm
 Subject: you might think twice before poking someone in the eye...

Quote:
Are you trolling?


Doc is a well respected member who was merely offering an alternative mounting suggestion.

Doc and I used the RAM-B-236 that required re-threading (easy to do, takes 60 seconds). Now, RAM makes a thread/pitch correct RAM-B-349U that threads right in. That option wasn't available to use until recently.

I've used both the RAM-B-236 and the RAM-B-231U on both my '05 250 and '07 650R. For me, I prefer the ball mount option, for the reasons Doc stated. Doesn't mean the other won't work (it will) but that is my preference.
chrisc
Post Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:26 pm
 Subject: Re: You'd do well to look into the history of posters before flaming...

BrianM wrote:


And if you would have bothered to search a little, you'd know that this exists:

http://forums.ninja250.org/viewtopic.php?p=676931#676931



I did search, it was not available when I bought mine.
emdsd
Post Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:18 pm
 Subject: Re: Sure you can use a U-bolt but you missed the point.

Wasn't trying to pound on you Sport. Just that some of us like a nice finished look to our "babies".

Weight -- I am a road cyclist and we silly folks go to great expense to save a few grams. Wink

Back when I purchased mine the U-bolt clamp was about 2 to 3 times more than the 3/8 threaded. I though it was cool as I saved money and a couple of ounces. The thread tap was less than $10 at the local hardware/feed store (yes, you read that right).

Doc

chrisc wrote:
Are you trolling?

Adds weight? That is laughable! The weight difference is insignificant.

Expense? The U-bolt mount cost $2 more than the other one.

Visually cluttered over the other method??? You are grasping at straws.

It makes install much easier since you don't need to re-thread the hole for the u-bolt, that's the only reason I did it.

Quote:
If you ever need to install a mirror the threads are a different enough pitch and the hole size is similar enough that a simple removal of the ball mount and install of a mirror should be all that is needed.


Let me know how that works out.
emdsd
Post Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:21 pm
 Subject: I would have loved to have had a 10 mm threaded ball mount.

Thank you Ram Mount for supplying what the consumer needs.

Doc
chrisc
Post Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:51 am
 Subject: Apologies doc for my overreacting. -Chris

FeverPitch
Post Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:49 pm
 Subject: GPS mounting

hickman71 wrote:


Now, RAM makes a thread/pitch correct RAM-B-349U that threads right in. That option wasn't available to use until recently.



I had originally planned to duplicate the excellent Ram installation tutorial on my bike, but I went with this:

It is the stock Magellan bar mount used with spacers on the mirror post.

It is rock solid, has a decently clean look, plus more importantly it puts the GPS up, away, and close to the mirror and less of a focus change from my natural sight scan while riding.

Without having to look down and re-focus my eyeballs so much it gives me a shorter ROAD-MIRROR-GPS-ROAD, eye scan.

An added bonus is that the GPS stays stationary and doesn't turn with the handlebars.













Kris
Post Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:21 pm
 Subject: Re: GPS mounting

That's a bit of a different take on the solution! Your logic works for you, but I can't say I agree with everything. To each his own. Here's a couple of pics of my setup. It keeps the GPS behind the shield in a position consistent with the instrument cluster when I glance down, and out of the wind/bugs/rain/road debris. My handlebars only move when I'm parked. When I'm rolling, they stay dead center. I also put a lanyard on the GPS and the triple clamp head so if it does vibrate loose, it won't become road kill.





FeverPitch
Post Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:47 pm
 Subject: Re: GPS mounting

Kris wrote:
It keeps the GPS in a position consistent with the instrument cluster, and out of the wind/bugs. I also put a lanyard on the GPS and the triple clamp head.


Hi Kris, nice set-up. I like the lanyard idea as added protection.

Even with your set-up it looks as if the GPS is lower/closer than the instruments. I already feel like I have my 'head down in the cockpit' too much just looking at the tac/speedo.
Kris
Post Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:45 pm
 Subject: Re: GPS mounting

I know exactly what you mean! With my face shield and my bifocals, I have to keep my head at the "right" angle to be able to see the GPS. That's part of the problem with growing old! But, I can work with it. Smile What I really need next is a power supply for the GPS for the display's back light. I have to install a cig lighter outlet with a switched power relay. Not hard, just have to find the time...
chohan
Post Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:29 pm
 Subject: Re: RAM mount part numbers

chkuo wrote:
Here are the parts that I used, hopefully someone will find this useful:


I got all these from GPS City for less than $40 shipped, very happy with their selection/price/service. The installation was extremely easy and only took about 1 minute.


I love you man! I just got my wife the garmin 205w last week and was going nuts trying to figure out which mount to use. I just used those part numbers you listed except for a different cradle (used RAM-HOL-GA25U) and ended up at $37 with shipping.

I must've missed this post while I was working last week. Thanks all.

-cho
chkuo
Post Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:12 pm
 Subject: Re: RAM mount part numbers

No problem! It took me quite a while to figure out that the cradle doesn't come with a ball so I figured others might find the description confusing as well. Glad that this helped.
emdsd
Post Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:17 pm
 Subject: No problem Chris.


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