pitchblende
Post Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:25 pm
 Subject: Track Riding and Getting Knee Down

First - Don't care about dragging knee for "show"

Mainly, I would like to use it as my lean angle indicator. However, I just got back from the track and as evidence of poor body position, I found myself dragging the feeler pegs and my toe-sliders whenever i took the sharper corners with speed. First step now is to remove the feeler pegs.

Quick question: Can one safely touch a knee down with a classic ninja250 that has the stock rearsets and centerstand still on the bike? I would like to increase my lean angle, but am afraid of dragging either the center stand or the relatively low-position stock rearsets. That would be...... catastrophic?
BrianM
Post Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:30 pm
 Subject: If I remember correctly...

You'll have issues with the center stand AND the side stand mounting plate Well before the stock footpegs.

If you were dragging toe sliders, you didn't have your feet back far enough. Even with size 13 boots, I could keep the toe-sliders from dragging without turning my foot sideways on the peg.
MIK
Post Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:20 am
 Subject: what Brian said, plus

some racers cut stock pegs like so - http://gallery.ninja250.org/users/mik/trackbike/p9252728.jpg.html

but that is quite useless without a good suspension upgrade.
IanJ
Post Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:58 am
 Subject: Centerstand gotta go

With my mediocre body position this last weekend, viewed via the track photographer, I see that my knee and my peg feeler would have touched about the same time. If I'd been further off the bike, with my knee further out, my puck would be the first thing to touch down, with stock peg position. I don't think you need to move your pegs, but it probably wouldn't hurt anything. The centerstand, on the other hand, would have been grinding even where I was.

Honestly, don't even think about "dragging a knee." All that does is distract you from taking the right line and hanging way the hell off the bike. Work on body position and your line, and the knee will sort itself out. In three years of racing, I've only ever touched my kneepuck down once, and that was at about 15 MPH on a very tight kart track, on a CL175. I used to regularly drag my toe sliders on the CL175, but that hasn't been a problem this year, I suspect because my body position is getting better.
rurugger
Post Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:30 pm
 Subject: Wasn't a problem for me FWIW

I've only done one track day and don't claim to be an expert, but on my bike with a stock rear shock and kickstand and centerstand both on, I was dragging knees on both sides with no problems.
I did remove the peg feelers and the few times the pegs did chirp on the ground was when I got lazy about body positioning.
You can see my pictures here:
http://4theriders.com/viewpics.php?loc=/pics/trackdays/2010/07.17.10-thill/SATURDAY/KAWI_BLACK/RED_LID/
Size-wise, I'm about as average as you can get (5'10", 32" inseam).

I'm guessing removing the centerstand is probably a good idea especially as you get better and the lean angle increases, but wasn't necessary for me on my first track day.
MIK
Post Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:44 pm
 Subject: I guess, it depends on speed and how tight the corner is

I didn't feel any need to drag a knee but eventually, on the second or third track day, I worked the setup I had, all the way to the sidestand mounting plate (centerstand was off) and exhaust header. And that was scary like hell as it lifted the rear wheel off the ground. I probably could improve my race line and body positioning, but one mistake and you are done. With better suspension and no centerstand/sidestand - the bike feels much better. I can take the same corners more comfortably at higher speeds.
pitchblende
Post Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:32 pm
 Subject: Re: Wasn't a problem for me FWIW

rurugger - nice pics. i was as thill a few days ago with ZoomZoom Track days. Let me know next time you're going up; maybe we can split a ride and gas costs.

rurugger wrote:
I've only done one track day and don't claim to be an expert, but on my bike with a stock rear shock and kickstand and centerstand both on, I was dragging knees on both sides with no problems.
I did remove the peg feelers and the few times the pegs did chirp on the ground was when I got lazy about body positioning.
You can see my pictures here:
http://4theriders.com/viewpics.php?loc=/pics/trackdays/2010/07.17.10-thill/SATURDAY/KAWI_BLACK/RED_LID/
Size-wise, I'm about as average as you can get (5'10", 32" inseam).

I'm guessing removing the centerstand is probably a good idea especially as you get better and the lean angle increases, but wasn't necessary for me on my first track day.
rurugger
Post Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:01 pm
 Subject: Re: Wasn't a problem for me FWIW

Would be great to hang out at the track together. I'm still nursing my concussion, so not planning on doing any track days until the spring, but definitely interested in going up together then.

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