Post Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:56 pm
 Subject: out the door price

Hi Ninja lovers,
I actually saw a white one at the dealership 2 weeks ago ,sat on it and was ok.I am considering between cbr 250 and ninja 300,I have had very powerful bikes in the past and donot think I will need more than 250 or 300 .the other only option may interest me is new ns700 x, which I sat on too , they all feel the same to me ,I outgrow all of the bikes i used to have really easily,may be I needed to go to a high end Duke or BMW,that is out of my plan for now , that is why I am gonna get either 250 honda or 300 kawi,my last 07 ninja 250 served me really well and i loved it much more than my 07 shadow aero which I had at the same time,may be I am a sport rider.I was easily ridding my 250 at any speed never had any problem with acceleration and racing with other powerful bikes even R1, may be because it was only in the freeway but I really do not want to go to track, so what is your experience with CBR speed and what do you think would be a good OTD price for a new bike 250cbr/300 ninja in orange county california?
Thanks and looking forward to sharing my experience with you.
Post Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:36 pm
 Subject: Just call and ask around.

Back in 2005 I asked the closest two Kawa dealers about OTD pricing on a new 250 Ninja, and the difference was almost $500. Most places around here that I talk to otherwise might ask MSRP+$200 at most, but now the higher-priced Kawa dealer is again asking MSRP+$500 for the new 300 Ninja. I posted on that at http://forums.ninja250.org/viewtopic.php?p=852414

Good luck!

Oh, and the 300 Ninja will likely smoke the 250 Honda, but the Honda would still be a hoot, and would probably be easier to maintain. FWIW.

--Mike D.
Post Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:07 am
 Subject: CBR250R OTD Price

In July I paid $4369.15 out the door, in San Diego at Fun Bike Center, for a new 2012 CBR250R. This was a special promotion at the time and well below any of the other dealers I checked with, wouldn't hurt to try them now.

My '05 250 Ninja is a little stronger on top end and the Honda has a wider power band and is very,very quiet, they're both wonderful bikes, just quite different. I'll keep both of them, plus the 650 BMW and SR500, the Ninja for commuting, the Honda for light touring (just did a 3,000+mile trip on it), the BMW for heavy touring, and the SR500 for Classic rides.

I'm old and slow, the MPG for each is, Honda, usually in the 90's, Ninja, usually around 80, BMW, usually around 70 and the SR, around 60. I usually run 45 to 55 MPH in the back country where I live and of course, when I go to town I have to ride faster to keep from getting run over, so the mileage drops about 10 MPG for all but the BMW, it pretty much stays the same. I hope you enjoy what ever one you choose, they're all great fun.
Post Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:44 am
 Subject: Just out of curiosity, why is the CBR easier to maintain?

Just because of the single cylinder (don't have to do everything twice) or does it have easier valves? I'd think most other things would be equal. Or is it just Honda build quality?
Post Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:03 am
 Subject: From what I gather, easier valves

Just from reading Evan Yeager's description of doing the valve adjust of his 2008 250 Ninja, the reviews of the CBR about where they put access to the valve shims, and the assumption on my part that the 300 Ninja is a scaled up version of the 250.

Having only four valves per 250cc or so I also assume would help.

Hmmm...lots of assumin' goin' on out there.
Post Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:11 am
 Subject: At least you don't have to take out the cams.

After I wrote that, I looked up the valve clearance for the CBR. It doesn't look terribly easy, but one good thing about modern bikes is you do it once, then they're not due for 15,000 miles more. And by that time the bike's totaled Smile

Post Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:22 am
 Subject: Valve clearance interval

I asked my local dealer about the 300's valve inspection interval as opposed to the previous 250s. The owner's manual states that you don't have to touch them until about 7-7.5k miles. Much better than the 500 initially and if I remember right, comparable to the CBR250.
Post Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:28 pm
 Subject: Maintenance

Yes, only having 4 valves to check is a big part of it, the 16,000 mile interval of the Honda is probably the biggest savings though. The valves are so much easier to check and adjust too. Once you get the valve cover off (they're both about the same up to that point, fairings, gas tank, etc.) there's plenty room to get the feeler gauge in.

If you should have to change a shim, you just pull the rocker arm shaft, slide the rocker out of the way and pick the shim off the valve with a magnet, much less chance of dropping something in the engine. The only drawback compared to the older bikes for me is, I have to go 150 miles round trip to get a shim and hope they have what I need in stock!! The newer Ninja would be in the same boat, but I hate pulling cams.

I would expect someone will make up a shim kit, like the kit for the KLR, for retail consumers soon, that would be a big help. I'm definitely in the market for one of those kits!

The older Ninja's are still the best bang for the buck!

Post Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:33 pm
 Subject: Thanks for the info. Do like the longer valve intervals.

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