funkshn
Post Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:56 pm
 Subject: Odd benefit of not having proof of insurance

I got pulled over for speeding recently (in the car - never happens on my bike). I had license and registration but my insurance card had expired in July. When a cop pulls you over, they are often reluctant to let you go with a warning, because a citation is a concrete proof of valid reason to stop you in the first place. But this one seemed ambivalent about writing me for 78 in a 65, when most people were doing a similar speed. The expired insurance card gave her the out she needed, so she wrote me for that instead, which is a non-moving violation and won't ding my insurance or driving record. I'm sure it'll still cost a little money to clear it (I do have insurance, just wasn't carrying the current card.) But it's way better than a speeding ticket, which has become remarkably expensive in this state.

And it's my fault for getting caught anyway. I could have done 75 instead of 78 and I would have been ignored.
BrianM
Post Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:11 pm
 Subject: Warning..... Pet peeve

or you could have done the speed limit.

*sigh* didn't your mother ever get onto you about doing something just because everyone Else was doing it? The one I heard was "would you jump off a bridge..." Regardless of your belief on what speed limits Should be, isn't is just a whole lot better to choose to NOT be a criminal/commit a criminal act? I just don't see the justification for speeding. The time difference is pathetically small unless you're talking about thousands of miles. The risks are elevated (of legal issues along with physical ones), wear and tear is greater, expense is greater and the worst part is that it's setting the stage for Other things. People who routinely speed (I know a few) tend to show less regard for those around them ~ I'm guessing it's tied to this sense of no/low accountability for ones actions. But that's not the worst of it, the worst is that those same people are often rushing through OTHER things in life too... or distracting themselves away from other things while seeking constant stimulus.

I guess people who speed didn't grow up with this book as a staple:




But like I said, this is a pet peeve. Just ahead of those darn kids on my lawn.. (yes, that is SIC)
GeorgeRYoung
Post Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:07 pm
 Subject: Hmm, I never exceed the speed limit either.

FrugalNinja250
Post Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:13 pm
 Subject: Risk due to speed variance works both ways

Driving significantly slower than the prevailing speed is just as risky as going faster, regardless of the posted speed limit.
Industrialfish
Post Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:16 pm
 Subject: There is a simple anecdote about that.

Driver: "But I was going the same speed as all the other drivers!"
Officer: "Have you ever been fishing?"
Driver: "Yes"
Officer: "Have you ever caught ALL the fish?"
BrianM
Post Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:31 am
 Subject: But not a criminal act... 2 wrongs don't make a right

It's a pet peeve... one of those things that Really get under my skin, especially when discussed as if it's acceptable/everyone does it/whatever. People get away with speeding all the time so they have less belief in law. So then they text/use a phone while driving, or drive after having drinks because they don't have belief in Those laws. I know there's a moral stop for most people, but that's not the point if the individual threshold is past the legal one. Just as it's not the point that roads and equipment today can sustain higher speeds... it's a case of "just because you can, don't mean you should/make it right".
FrugalNinja250
Post Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:33 am
 Subject: Physics doesn't really have a sense of morality

Just to make sure everyone is clear, I'm not advocating breaking speeding laws. Scienctific studies have found that the risk of causing or being involved in a collision increases dramatically with speed variance, and it doesn't matter if you're going faster or slower than prevailing. It's the difference between individual and prevailing speeds that's the problem, not the prevailing speed itself.

My goal is to arrive alive, so i keep my speed within 5mph of prevailing where the risk is lowest. Since riding a motorcycle is all about risk management I can live with exceeding the posted limit if that's what it takes to maximize my safety. it's either that, or don't ride, or drive, ever again.
Ian
Post Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:21 pm
 Subject: Brian, Is that a slippery slope argument that you're using?

BrianM wrote:
It's a pet peeve... one of those things that Really get under my skin, especially when discussed as if it's acceptable/everyone does it/whatever. People get away with speeding all the time so they have less belief in law. So then they text/use a phone while driving, or drive after having drinks because they don't have belief in Those laws. I know there's a moral stop for most people, but that's not the point if the individual threshold is past the legal one. Just as it's not the point that roads and equipment today can sustain higher speeds... it's a case of "just because you can, don't mean you should/make it right".


I don't own a cell phone, so you can't accuse me of that one, and I don't drink, as you know, so you can't get me for that one, either.

Can you come up with some other laws I'm supposedly going to break because I go 1 mph over the speed limit?

Anyway, you're correct that I don't have any respect for speed limits here in the US.
The limits were created by idiots, are enforced by morons, so that the completely mindless will be less likely to crash into trees and guardrails.

I prefer to drive a safe and prudent speed, versus the "speed limit".
Just because the speed limit is 75 mph doesn't mean it's safe to drive that fast on I-80 in January with 3 inches of snow on the ground, and thick fog while driving through Nebraska at 7 am.

Ian.

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